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	<title>Comments on: Do we need an (elected) House of Lords?</title>
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		<title>By: scotslawstudent</title>
		<link>http://scotslawstudent.com/2010/03/12/do-we-need-an-elected-house-of-lords/#comment-272</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a point, you do have a lot of options for people to contact. I must admit to quite liking knowing that there is a guy in Westminster, Holyrood, Glasgow etc who is actually there to represent me if need be. I think it&#039;s good to know they&#039;re there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a point, you do have a lot of options for people to contact. I must admit to quite liking knowing that there is a guy in Westminster, Holyrood, Glasgow etc who is actually there to represent me if need be. I think it&#8217;s good to know they&#8217;re there.</p>
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		<title>By: a simple law student</title>
		<link>http://scotslawstudent.com/2010/03/12/do-we-need-an-elected-house-of-lords/#comment-271</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be honest, at the moment, with the current extensive timetabling of bills, no one is actually reading, never mind scrutinising, legislation (resulting in a lot of bad law that will take years to fix). Both Commons and Lords are effectively redundant.

Other places, like France and the US, manage their upper house by placing it on a longer, unsynchronised, election schedule. Of course, they are both presidential, so perhaps we should be looking to Ireland, where they have a strange, complicated, and unsatisfying, hybrid system, with both appointed and indirectly elected senators.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, at the moment, with the current extensive timetabling of bills, no one is actually reading, never mind scrutinising, legislation (resulting in a lot of bad law that will take years to fix). Both Commons and Lords are effectively redundant.</p>
<p>Other places, like France and the US, manage their upper house by placing it on a longer, unsynchronised, election schedule. Of course, they are both presidential, so perhaps we should be looking to Ireland, where they have a strange, complicated, and unsatisfying, hybrid system, with both appointed and indirectly elected senators.</p>
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		<title>By: scotslawstudent</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitely, being able to broadly shape the direction of society is excellent and the alternative is not to considered in the slightest but the issue is not exactly removing layers, it&#039;s just avoiding duplicating layers. Presumably an elected Lords would read and send bills back to the Commons pretty much like it does right now.

Liberalism thinks that heterogeneity is a benefit in government - so you have the separation of powers etc. I would wonder to what extent you could really say that elected members of the Lords, voted for at a general election(?) differ from elected members of the Commons, voted for at a general election. The more localised representatives differ from each other in their scope but you don&#039;t even have that in Westminster. I think you really have just one big house with two rooms and a weird two tier voting system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely, being able to broadly shape the direction of society is excellent and the alternative is not to considered in the slightest but the issue is not exactly removing layers, it&#8217;s just avoiding duplicating layers. Presumably an elected Lords would read and send bills back to the Commons pretty much like it does right now.</p>
<p>Liberalism thinks that heterogeneity is a benefit in government &#8211; so you have the separation of powers etc. I would wonder to what extent you could really say that elected members of the Lords, voted for at a general election(?) differ from elected members of the Commons, voted for at a general election. The more localised representatives differ from each other in their scope but you don&#8217;t even have that in Westminster. I think you really have just one big house with two rooms and a weird two tier voting system.</p>
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		<title>By: a simple law student</title>
		<link>http://scotslawstudent.com/2010/03/12/do-we-need-an-elected-house-of-lords/#comment-269</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And in each council area, by dint of multi-member STV PR, you have councillors to choose from.

Of course, the problem when you start thinking about removing layers is: which layers? Do you really want your bind emptied by fiat of Holyrood? You&#039;re probably too young to remember the disaster tat was Strathclyde, the council that covered half of Scotland, and never did anything on time. Subsidiarity is a fine goal, but it takes some to run it, and it&#039;s better that they be elected, don&#039;t you think? Anyway, local cooncilors are a lot cheaper than MSPs, MPS and MEPs...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in each council area, by dint of multi-member STV PR, you have councillors to choose from.</p>
<p>Of course, the problem when you start thinking about removing layers is: which layers? Do you really want your bind emptied by fiat of Holyrood? You&#8217;re probably too young to remember the disaster tat was Strathclyde, the council that covered half of Scotland, and never did anything on time. Subsidiarity is a fine goal, but it takes some to run it, and it&#8217;s better that they be elected, don&#8217;t you think? Anyway, local cooncilors are a lot cheaper than MSPs, MPS and MEPs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://scotslawstudent.com/2010/03/12/do-we-need-an-elected-house-of-lords/#comment-268</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You really have a few MSPs at your disposal - certainly your directly elected first-past-the-post constituency one, but also a small gaggle of list MSPs from the PR system - I&#039;ve never found them much use, but perhaps I don&#039;t live is a particularly good list area!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really have a few MSPs at your disposal &#8211; certainly your directly elected first-past-the-post constituency one, but also a small gaggle of list MSPs from the PR system &#8211; I&#8217;ve never found them much use, but perhaps I don&#8217;t live is a particularly good list area!</p>
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